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What happens when you get too close to the truth about UFOs?

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Some say you get visited by the silencers.

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My son was shot at the head of Point Blank Rain.

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They often arrive as men in black. They know where you live and they know where you're going to be at any given time.

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He said, Mr. Robs. And of course I don't know him, but obviously he knew me.

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Who's behind this supposed covert program? Some say it's a secret government agency.

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There are at least 20 levels of security clearances above the president. He has no need to know about these programs.

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During our investigation, we actually captured what might be a real-life silencer.

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A guy out in black right there. Holy s***. There's a guy out in black right there.

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This is case number 64206, the Silencers.

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The one thing we have not investigated thus far is the story of the men in black.

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That's kind of the most menacing and threatening part of this field.

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Who are the people who silence the people who talk about UFOs?

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Men in black are real.

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Reports of men in black go all the way back to the 1940s when folks first started reporting sightings of flying saucers.

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And that's no coincidence.

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Well, I always thought it was just a myth. I mean, what do you have about men in black?

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I mean, if they are real, then they're more mysterious than UFOs. There's tons of video footage of UFOs.

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You hear about them on the news and the same thing just doesn't happen with the men in black.

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All you have about the men in black, at least that the general public knows about, is purely fiction.

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The challenge that I'm going to have with this investigation is separating science fiction from science fact.

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If men in black are real, then why aren't they mentioned in the vast majority of UFO sightings?

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We have eyewitness testimony from people who have been visited by the men in black.

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We're actually going to be talking with people who were threatened, so we know that men in black are a reality.

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We just don't know exactly what or who they are.

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On the surface, the mere mention of men in black sounds so unreal and so unbelievable,

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but there are just too many witnesses and too many cases of men in black encounters to ignore.

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Men in black appear to be agents of some kind, who mysteriously show up after certain UFO sightings

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and attempt to silence the witnesses.

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They reportedly use fear, intimidation and outright threats to keep people quiet.

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We have reports of men in black being army or government officials,

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hybrids, part alien, part human,

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and we even have reports of men in black being outright agents of men in black.

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In the beginning, they showed up just to retrieve evidence,

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but it progressed to outright silence.

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It was a little before Christmas in 1987, and I shot four objects flying across the shopping center.

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Next thing I know, I'm getting visits from people.

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Danny Gordon is a radio broadcaster from Withville, Virginia.

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After talking publicly on his radio show about the strange UFOs he witnessed back in 1987,

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the men in black stepped into his life and changed it forever.

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We pulled into a parking lot at a department store in Withville,

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and we noticed some kids in the school bus were pointing up.

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There were four objects flying over the shopping center.

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So I got my 35 millimeter out and shot the four objects.

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And actually had some people that know a little bit more about physics and myself

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that measured the globes, and they said they had to be four definitive objects

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because you could see the curvature too well to be one object with the four lights on it.

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Danny's photo shows possibly four separate objects together in the night sky.

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He saw it, as did a handful of other people who happened to be in the parking lot that night.

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I was the only one standing on the top step and yelling about it,

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sending news reports associated with press, United Press, so it was going out from me,

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and I really never gave much thought that it would come back to me as well.

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Of all the other UFO witnesses who saw the object that night,

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Gordon was the only one who was a broadcaster.

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Millions of people were hearing about Gordon's UFO sighting,

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and not long after, strange things started happening in the life of Danny Gordon.

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When I was invited to Virginia Beach to speak to United Press International,

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I took the photos to show them, but I left the negatives at home.

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I was supposed to meet with the folks at O'Shaen and Naval Base and CIA headquarters,

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and when I called them, they said the general was not here, was going to meet with you.

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By the way, did you bring the negatives?

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I'm being a dumb country boy, I said no, I left them at home.

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When I got home from Virginia Beach, I found that my negatives, only those negatives had been taken.

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If the negatives just disappeared, that would be one thing.

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But for Danny to tell the CIA that he left the negatives at home,

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and then to find the negatives missing, that just seems more than a coincidence.

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It doesn't sound like you were actually threatened at all. Did that ever happen in any way, shape, or form?

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I used to get a telephone call saying, you know, this is time you leave alone, it's a defense matter.

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There were government issue, black cars following me, but you need to home.

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The general much called me, saying if you talk to these reporters, you're going to put yourself or your family in, and very jeopardy.

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And I did.

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1991, the ongoing intimidation of Danny Gordon became more than just threats.

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It became actual physical violence.

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My son was at a party, and we shot in the head.

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It went blank range right here in the temple, 32 magnum.

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He passed out on the table at 9.30 and woke up 21 days later in the rehab center blind in Rona.

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We still don't know who shot him.

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Because the other guys at the party, first said he was some guys dressed in black,

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then they changed the story and said it was him, and 1991 to now we don't know who shot him.

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Do you suspect that the men in black came to these witnesses and persuaded them not to continue with their testimony?

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I would hope not.

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I would hope not.

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So I said, if there's just out of a chance that it might have been connected to the UFOs,

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I told my wife I cannot continue to do this and take a chance.

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Whether or not the men in black shot Danny Gordon's son remains to be seen.

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The incident frightened him so much though that he stopped talking about UFOs, period.

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Now, talking to his 18 years later, he's finally breaking his silence.

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Do you believe that the men in black are real? They actually exist?

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And what do you think their purpose is?

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There's no doubt because I've talked to too many witnesses who've had UFO visitations, sightings,

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and then had the men in black come and try to look at their pictures, take their pictures.

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Some people actually hadn't had them seized.

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Now, whether or not they dress in black, I don't know, but I know that someone came to my home,

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broke in my home, and who knows, may have been involved with the shooting of my son.

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If the men in black did indeed shoot Danny Gordon's son, they left no incriminating evidence.

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To get closer to the answer, we need to find a case where some tangible evidence was left behind.

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I am Timothy Beckley. I took one of the only photographs of an authentic man in black.

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Timothy Beckley is a UFO author who had his own mysterious encounter with a man in black.

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Only Beckley was lucky enough to have a camera with him.

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In 1968, a rash of UFO sightings envelops the skies over northern New Jersey and in particular Jersey City.

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There were a number of cases where UFOs had come down fairly low and landed in a nearby park.

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Several teenagers had been very upset and they ran and told their parents.

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One of the individuals that I was in touch with was a fellow by the name of Jack Robinson,

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who was the investigator on the case.

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He actually claims while they were interviewing these teenage witnesses that they could see the black catalog parked down the street

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with the tinted windows, and every once in a while the window would roll down and somebody would peer out.

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While he would go to work, he worked in a bank in New York.

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He would take the path train over every day and his wife would go out and do the normal errand shopping and everything like that.

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She reported while she would leave the building there would be a mysterious person standing in the doorway across the street,

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dressed in black, black hat over its face.

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So we decided we were going to take a drive over to Jersey City one morning to see if anything was really going on.

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Well, sure enough, we get there and here is this individual standing stone face in the doorway with the hat pulled down over its eyes,

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dressed in the black, kind of looking like it didn't belong in the neighborhood.

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So Jim hands me his camera.

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I go and I lean out the window and I take a photograph of this individual standing in the doorway.

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What makes you think that this is a man in black as opposed to just a man in a black suit that happens to hang out in the street every day?

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You know, it's a residential area where they would know everybody who lives in the neighborhood.

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I mean, especially in this time period, everybody knew their neighbors.

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You know who lives next door, you know who lives upstairs and this person doesn't fit.

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We figure we would take the car, drive it around the corner and get out and confront this individual

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and find out what was his reason for standing in that corner of that building.

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We circle the block, we stop the car, he was gone and the black automobile he might have arrived in was also gone.

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He just disappeared almost into thin air.

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Somehow, Beckley was able to catch the alleged man in black off guard.

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This is historic for the first time ever an actual man in black is caught in a photograph.

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Yes, Tim Beckley snapped the picture of a man in black.

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But what if that's just it? A photograph of a man who just happened to be wearing black?

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You're confident that man in black are real? This is real? This is not mythology? This is not something that somebody made up?

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No, no it is not.

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This is really happening.

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And this photograph proves it.

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After looking at Tim Beckley's photo there are no signs of digital or photographic manipulation.

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And the artifacts present in the photo are more than likely a byproduct of the film's emulsion.

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Tim shot this photo in Jersey City in 1965.

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The truck shown in the foreground is a first generation Chevrolet C10 pickup.

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And this is probably in 1962 C10.

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You can tell by the rounded single headlight, the inverted windshield wiper on the passenger side, and the large rectangular side view mirrors.

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If this were a real man in black, he more than likely would have been aware of Tim's presence and simply wouldn't have allowed this photograph to be taken.

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Or because this is an urban commercial neighborhood with street parking and traffic.

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He might have just not noticed Tim's presence or simply just wanted to hide in plain sight.

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At this point we have Danny Gordon's encounter with men in black who may be responsible for allegedly shooting his son.

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And we have Tim Beckley who actually took a photograph of a man in black.

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So far the men in black have been threatening from a distance.

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What we need now is to dig deeper and find someone who's been threatened face to face by men in black.

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Two men approached dressed in black. They looked at me and said, we'll see you again soon.

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I'm Johnny Sands and for 34 years I've been intimidated by the men in black.

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We're meeting with Johnny Sands, a country singer who in 1976 while driving outside of Las Vegas had one of the strangest men in black experiences

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and has been covered thus far.

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I could see a light beam in the sky directly to the right of me. It was a cigar shaped looking object.

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Johnny Sands' car then shuts off. While he's working under his hood trying to get his car restarted, two of what he refers to as aliens walk up to him.

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And as he come closer to me, I started to run but I realized I couldn't move.

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They had very, very glaring eyes. Their mouths were small and wrinkled. They looked like a man with no teeth but they have a large wide nose

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and it looked like something protruding out on each side of their face.

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The one began to talk but he wasn't talking through his mouth. So I asked him where y'all from.

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And he said up there. They asked me all these questions and he says we'll be going but we'll see you again real soon.

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They turned and walked away and a flashing light went and they were gone.

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Johnny Sands' alien encounter grabbed a lot of headlines. He was a celebrity for it.

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A few days later the Sahara Hotel invites Johnny to do a public demonstration of sorts in their lobby.

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They hire an artist to draw one of the aliens that Johnny saw.

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When he got to the gills and the nose, the artist says why do they have a nose and gills?

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And I said I really can't answer that question. That's when the two men walked up and was standing there dressed in black.

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I did notice the one. He was a little clumsy in moving. He was kind of on the stiff side.

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He would lean in toward me and then he said let me answer that question for you if I can.

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There is an area in the sky that's 8 and a half light years from here that's called Sirius.

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He said there is a planet that is known to be an aquarium. It's a type planet.

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Half water, half land. So this will explain the gills and the nose.

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He says but we got to go now but we'll see you again real soon.

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Well that's the same thing that the aliens had just told me three or four days ago.

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As they went out the doorway of the hallway, the security guard was no farther away from behind them than you are from me.

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But when he got to the door, he turned around and he come walking back and he says that guy just totally disappeared in thin air.

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Maybe in this case the men in black were playing mind games with him.

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Not to dissuade him from talking but to make his story seem so weird, so incredulous.

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But when he does talk, nobody believes him.

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Johnny, this is Mike Brasil.

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Hey Mike, good to meet you.

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We've drafted Mike Brasil, a forensic sketch artist, so we can wrap our minds around what these men in black might actually look like.

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He had real squinny eyes, bald but stubby looking nose. His hair is going to go straight back.

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What would you say his head shape was like?

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Kind of boxy looking with a heavy duty broad chin. The mouth was not too big.

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What do you see there?

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Oh, put the black suit on him, that's it.

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Thirty-four years you hold his picture in your mind, this is it.

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The sketch of Johnny's sense man in black is apparently spot on. I get a sense that Johnny is actually disturbed by looking at it.

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What do you think of Johnny Sans' story?

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He was very specific about what happened. It just seemed like because of the detail, I think something real happened to Johnny Sans and I don't think we can ignore that testimony.

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Johnny Sans not only passed a lie detector test, but he also passed a voice stress test.

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According to the authorities, he's apparently telling the truth and as far-fetched as it sounds, I'm inclined to believe him.

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We're hearing a lot of different things. We're hearing that some of them are intimidating. Others are acting very weird, like possibly they're alien as you might suggest.

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And so far the only pattern that I have is that these people are seeing men dressed in black clothing.

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I mean it's not just seeing men in black clothing, they're seeing men who surveil things like the photograph that Timothy Beckley showed us or people who give warnings and then follow through on the warning.

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Whether these men in black are humans trying to protect the secrecy of the presence of UFOs or whether they're actual aliens observing what we're doing, one thing is crystal clear.

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There is a direct connection between men in black and UFOs.

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We had pulled off to the side of the road next to the Grand Canyon Caverns. There were two men parked in a black car right where we were ready to pull off.

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My name is John Rhodes. I've been confronted by the men in black.

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We met John Rhodes in a previous investigation when we were looking for an underground alien base in Dulce, New Mexico.

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In 1996 when he went looking for an underground base near the Grand Canyon Caverns in Arizona, he must have gotten too close to something important because a couple of bizarre characters crossed his path.

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I was coming here from Las Vegas to investigate the Grand Canyon Caverns. We're pulling into this pull off outside of road. Here is a nice shiny new black car and two guys there in suits waiting for me.

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One was leaning against the car. The other one proceeded to walk up directly to me as I was parking. I got out of the car. The gentleman came over to my vehicle and eye to eye he turned around and said, Mr. Rhodes.

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And of course I don't know him but obviously he knew me.

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So these guys knew your name?

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Yes.

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Wow.

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They knew my name. More importantly they knew I was going to be right there.

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I find it odd that in the middle of nowhere two men suddenly appear and know John Rhodes' name. I don't think this was a random meeting.

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He turned to me and he said, well you know Mr. Rhodes, you can fall down out there and get hurt. You could fall down at some hole out there and nobody would ever find you again.

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And I knew this was a threat.

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And then what happened?

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They got back in their vehicle and I didn't even see them leave because I didn't want them to think that they had intimidated me.

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Did they have any kind of identification either on their jacket or in their wallet?

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Nothing. As a matter of fact when I looked at their vehicle it just didn't have any dirt on it. It's not like somebody else drove by and some of the dirt kicked up from the road and covered their car.

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Their shoes were absolutely shiny. You could see a reflection off them black. It didn't look like they had been there at all.

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As a matter of fact it looked like they just stepped out of their car for the first time. A brand new car, brand new clothing, brand new shoes, everything right down to the T.

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It strikes me as more than odd that in the middle of the desert they had no dust on their car, no dust on their clothing. How do you explain that?

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You can't.

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Why would they warn you about this area? What were you looking for? What's here?

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You have to remember that only 3.3% of the entire Grand Canyon has ever been surveyed, which means that 96% of that almost 1,900 square miles out there have never had human feet set down in it.

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I think some of these ancient cavern systems that in this limestone for hundreds of square miles is perfect territory to build underground military installations.

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You don't have to take any dirt out. You just occupy an already hollowed out space. And if they're connected through cavern passages or natural tunnels, it would be perfect to be actually in this limestone area.

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So the geology of the Grand Canyon-Caverns area is conducive to underground caverns, underground tunnels, and John Rhodes thinks a network of underground bases, perhaps connecting the Grand Canyon with Dulcy and Area 51,

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all of which are reported hubs of reverse engineering and alien technology.

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This is incredible. If Rhodes' theory is correct that there are tunnels connecting all these underground alien bases, could this be why men in black are showing themselves?

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Am I intimidated? I would say that I would be more intimidated for you.

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We're investigating one of the places where men in black might be coming from. We talked to someone who claims there's a network of tunnels connecting a vast array of secret underground alien bases.

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If this is true, the US government has to know about it and most likely is very much a part of it. And if that's the case, there has to be a paper trail somewhere.

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We're meeting with Michael Schrat, a military aerospace historian who in his research has figured out how the US government might be behind the men in black.

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So, Mike, let's get right down to it. Who are the men in black and who pays their paychecks?

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It's rumored, Bill, that the men in black are a covert government operation or organization funded perhaps by the black budget, somewhat embedded within the Air Force budget.

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How exactly are they getting their funding? Is this money coming from taxpayers?

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They would probably get their funding just like many of these other programs get their funding from phony front organizations.

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The so-called black budget is an allocation of money towards the military and intelligence agencies. There is no accountability.

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How can we prove this? We have the actual Detroit Free Press article. This is dated February 8th, 1987. And here it says, secret ledger hides military projects.

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Pentagon black budget has tripled under the Reagan administration.

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You know what's going on when it comes to the money in the black budgets today.

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Well, if we extrapolate the data, Kevin, it's clear that this black budget has ballooned to over perhaps $300 billion per year. What are they using this for and why? That's the real question.

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Here we have the actual security clearance organizational chart. And if you start here at the bottom, it starts at restricted, then we move to confidential, then we go to secret, top secret, SCI, USAP, above that.

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There are 28 levels of top secret crypto. The president is at level 17. He's cleared for the go codes or the nuclear launch codes.

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But then you'll see, in point of fact, there are at least 20 levels of security clearances above the president. He has no need to know about these programs.

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This is all just a theory that there are 20 secret levels of black projects above the president of the United States. It's certainly plausible though.

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And if men in black are really tied into the US government, then it's quite possible that the president would have no idea. It's plausible deniability.

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Now if these programs are that secret and they're so important to our national security, what kind of measures would be taken by some kind of agency if some of that information was to get out?

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If you can take a craft that can beat a Mars and back by lunchtime, are you going to let that technology out to your competitors, your adversaries, or people within the government?

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No, they're going to keep it completely black, completely unacknowledged. They've got to control the high ground at any cost.

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Would they go as far as to use deadly force?

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Without a doubt.

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The investigators who've gotten the closest to the truth about the men in black died under mysterious circumstances.

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T. Allen Greedfield is a UFO researcher and author who's been investigating the men in black phenomenon for decades. And he knows just how far they'll go to silence people who know too much.

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There is a tendency to believe that the best cases about the men in black are old cases. A lot of the later cases don't get the same kind of publicity for one simple reason.

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Most of the people who specialized in investigating men in black died off mysteriously.

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Then none of them were older than their 40s or 50s. The people who got the closest to the truth died.

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One famous ufologist is a legendary author Morris K. Jessup, a pioneer. He wrote numerous books. And some researchers believe that when he got too close to the truth, the men in black silenced him once and for all.

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Jessup wrote a book called The Case for the UFOs. Supposedly this perfectly well-balanced man who had no reason to commit suicide was suicide.

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He supposedly had asphyxiated himself in a car. Apparently was such an elaborate way of doing it. It was obviously done by a third party or parties who had reason for Mr. Jessup to appear to have committed suicide.

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Police investigating on the scene said that it appeared to be a murder faked as a suicide. I believe that he was murdered because he had stumbled upon something in his book. He was a victim of what we can call the men in black.

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Another case of a UFO researcher dying an untimely death, allegedly at the hands of the men in black, is Frank Edwards.

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Edwards was at one time a very famous mutual radio network broadcaster who was indeed talking a lot about UFOs. His life was threatened. He ignored it. He continued to broadcast and then he wrote, flying saucers, serious business.

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It's the only one that made the New York Times bestseller list sold over a million copies. Not too long after that, he turned to his wife and said, Mary, I have the strangest feeling and dropped cold dead.

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Was a cause of death ever determined?

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They said heart failure, but he didn't have any of the usual symptoms one would associate with a heart attack. I think it was some sort of poisoning of sorts and it was a warning to all of us who were serious about ufology.

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Officials ruled the cause of Frank Edwards death and apparent heart attack. However, medically, an apparent heart attack and an actual heart attack are two different things entirely.

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And shortly after that, strike three hit, Jim Keith wrote a book called Casebook of the Men in Black and he died of a wrenched ankle. Nothing else wrong with it. Young man in great health strained his ankle and was dead.

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According to recent studies, simple injuries like ankle sprains can increase the risk of blood clots simply because blood tends to stagnate in the injured area. So dying from an ankle sprain, although rare, is possible.

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Maybe he had a blood clot, maybe he didn't. The probability is he died because he talked too much about the men in black.

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Always good to see you and just be careful. Thanks Alan. Thank you very much.

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Well gentlemen, I think you finally found the stories of people who were hurt by MIBs. What are your thoughts on what we've learned from Alan Greenfield?

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Some of these ufologists, if not all of them, could have died from the causes that were reported. Natural deaths, falling, liver disease, what not.

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People die at inopportune times and when they die, there's always something they were working on and if the work has something to do with UFOs, I think it's too easy to make the assumption that that had something to do with the death.

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There aren't that many ufologists in the world, right? Why is it that they didn't die natural peaceful deaths? I mean these were very strange mysterious deaths. There's no doubt in my mind that there's a trend here.

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When all was said and done, Greenfield told us of 7 ufologists who met untimely deaths at the heights of their careers. 7 ufologists who were also outspoken in the media just like Danny Gordon. This is not a coincidence, there is a connection here.

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Men in black are guarding something and see if we can bring men in black to us.

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We're here in Utah investigating the men in black. About 85 miles southwest of Salt Lake City is a military facility called the Dugway Proving Grounds.

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It was constructed in 1942 to test and develop chemical and biological weapons for World War II. It has been in continuous operations since then.

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What's actually going on there now is top secret and nobody knows for sure. A lot of UFOs have been seen in this area and some researchers are referring to Dugway as the new Area 51. Perhaps this is one of the places where the men in black are coming from.

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Hello, Kevin. Hi. Dave. Dave Rosenfeld is a Utah UFO researcher who's been investigating the Dugway Proving Ground for a long time. He's taken some amazing pictures of UFOs and other things in the skies over Dugway and he's uncovered some inside information.

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I got the information from a particular individual that works at Dugway and this information was dates, times, locations of testing. Lasers, ring lasers, invisible camouflage, aerial vehicles, testing. It was a big list.

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You know, when they do these kind of tests, it does attract UFOs.

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Dave posted this information on his public website and then something happened.

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About eight o'clock at night, got to knock on the door. Two individuals, one's at the door, one's at the car, dressed in dark uniforms.

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Could you describe the car that they arrived in? It was a black car, four door.

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Any insignia on the car, numbers. Government plates. The guy that came to the door has got a crew cut, it's blonde, very intimidating. It's got the cop glasses on. He asked me first, are you Dave Rosenfeld? And I said yes.

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He says, well, we've got some particular information on your website that we need to get off immediately. He more or less asked me if my computer was in the house. I said yes. He said, well, can I come in and watch you take it off the website right now?

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And I said yeah, it'd be off in ten minutes. He came in, watched me do it, ended with them saying we don't want to see anything like this again on your website. If we see it again, we'll be back and you don't want us to come back.

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There are a lot of holes in Rosenfeld's story. If the government wanted to shut down his website, they could have done it from anywhere. But I have to admit that paying him a visit isn't keeping with the whole men in black intimidation factor.

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How long was this information on your website before these guys came to visit you?

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About four days.

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Do you feel that the information that you had on the internet was worthy of this type of treatment? Is it that important?

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It was.

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Forensic sketch artist Mike Brazel was able to draw composites of Johnny Sands' man in black.

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Real squinny eyes, stubby-looking nose.

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John Rhodes' man in black.

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Eyes that were rather almond-shaped. The hair was almost like a military cut.

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And Dave Rosenfeld's man in black.

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He had a crew cut, kind of a flat top, narrow nose, more tall than muscular.

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Three separate sketches. Yet there's an eerie similarity about all of them.

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Perhaps they're the same man in black that was captured in Tim Beckley's photo.

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Clearly there is a UFO man in black connection of Doug Way. It really is starting to sound like the new Area 51.

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Perhaps there's a contingent of men in black originating out of Doug Way.

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There's only one way to find out. We have to go there.

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We're meeting with Ken Storch and Bob X who are instrumental in our investigation of underground bases both near here and in Dulce, New Mexico.

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Ken and Bob have been investigating Doug Way for years and they too had a run-in with men in black.

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We had intel that this area was the new Area 51 and so we came out here to gather intel and verify if indeed that was the case.

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We had stopped in at Willow Springs Lodge and a gentleman up there that owned it said,

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Are you boys going out into the desert? And we said, yeah.

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He said, there's been some strange things happening out in the desert.

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He said, well, are you guys carrying? Do you have guns? And we said, well, yeah.

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And he said, well, good. He said, just be alert.

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So we drove out to this location. It was about nine o'clock in the morning and as I pulled out of a little turnout,

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I looked in the mirror and I could see a dust cloud coming real fast.

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This vehicle came right up on our and I kept slowing down hoping that he'd go around and pass.

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Well, he did. He kept slowing down.

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Finally, Bob said, hey, pull over. I've had enough of this.

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We pulled over. Bob bailed out of the car.

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I stayed in the car and I adjusted the mirror. Now there were two individuals in the car.

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No insignia on the vehicle. No light bar. No nothing.

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The driver got out. Bob got out.

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I walked in between the vehicles. He had blouse pants on. Right.

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Had a vest. I couldn't see a badge, but I knew this guy was dressed in black.

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He says, what are you doing out here? I said, just taking some pictures.

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He says, I need to see some identification. I said, I need to see who you are.

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And this man goes, this is all you need to see. And he points to the G14 tag.

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A G14 tag or license plate is a government plate.

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The General Service Administration or GSA maintains vehicles in a motor pool across the country

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for official use by government agencies and departments.

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They're numbered G11 through G91.

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G14 is issued for an interagency motor pool system for large cars.

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You can see this place is very remote.

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There was the two of them and the two of us and nothing else around.

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And it could have gone south. So I had my weapon down between my legs.

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I had the driver's mirror focused on him and the rear view mirror focused on the passenger.

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They were expecting to intimidate us into giving up what we were doing

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and pretty much dropped to our knees and the holy grail type of thing.

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Well, it didn't happen that way.

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After that, got back in the vehicle we took off.

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He followed us all the way toward the road turns and we went up Vernon

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and he went straight, but he was still on our butt.

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Maybe just like John Rhodes, Ken and Bob were getting too close to something

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the government didn't want them to see.

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I took the tag number down.

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What did you find out?

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Well, it was very interesting when I got back to my jurisdiction

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because I was active law enforcement at that time.

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And I ran the tag and it came back to a white jeep

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for Bureau of Land Management out of Park County, Colorado.

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And this wasn't a jeep?

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And this wasn't a jeep.

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So I called the Park County Bureau of Land Management Supervisor

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and I said, do you have a vehicle with this tag number?

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And the supervisor goes, sure do.

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I'm looking at it right out my office window.

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And Park County, Colorado is 450, 500 miles away.

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That tag number did not belong on that vehicle.

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I mean, that raised all kinds of red flags with me.

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It's all lining up.

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Men in black have a long history of impersonating people.

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And now these two men in black are apparently caught in a lie.

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Perhaps those G14 plates were actually taken from another vehicle.

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Let me ask you a question.

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We're standing here right now.

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Do you think there's an eye on you?

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Absolutely.

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You better believe it.

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And they monitor the communique.

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We've been told that number of times.

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If you're on the radio or if you're on your cell phone,

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this whole area is being monitored.

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But we're on public land now.

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Why are we being monitored?

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Well, it bases right there.

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No sooner do we start talking about being monitored by men in black

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when two helicopters appear overhead.

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You see that, Kevin?

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Yep.

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There they come.

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They're going to come right over the top, boys.

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You see that, Kevin?

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Yep.

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There they come.

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They're going to come right over the top, boys.

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We were not on the radio.

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They're going to come right over the top, boys.

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We're near the Dugway Proving Ground in Utah.

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Some are calling this the new Area 51.

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Researchers believe there's evidence of reverse engineering going on here.

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And I don't think it's a coincidence that as soon as we start talking about men in black,

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dark helicopters show up.

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But how ironic that they picked this spot to fly over.

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Would you say they're black?

387
00:40:28,998 --> 00:40:30,999
See any insignia on them?

388
00:40:30,999 --> 00:40:31,999
I don't see that.

389
00:40:31,999 --> 00:40:32,999
No insignia.

390
00:40:32,999 --> 00:40:33,999
That's not all of Drab.

391
00:40:33,999 --> 00:40:34,999
No, it's not.

392
00:40:34,999 --> 00:40:36,000
And there's no insignia.

393
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Do you see a tail number?

394
00:40:41,001 --> 00:40:42,001
No.

395
00:40:42,001 --> 00:40:43,001
I would say those were black.

396
00:40:43,001 --> 00:40:44,001
They were black.

397
00:40:44,001 --> 00:40:45,001
They were black.

398
00:40:45,001 --> 00:40:46,002
They were.

399
00:40:46,002 --> 00:40:47,002
That's really weird.

400
00:40:49,002 --> 00:40:51,003
I've worked with a lot of Chinooks, man.

401
00:40:51,003 --> 00:40:52,003
They're all of Drab.

402
00:41:00,004 --> 00:41:01,005
What do you think is going on?

403
00:41:01,005 --> 00:41:02,005
Who are these guys?

404
00:41:02,005 --> 00:41:03,005
What are they about?

405
00:41:03,005 --> 00:41:11,006
My take on it is that they are a private entity working in conjunction with someone that's

406
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involved in flying saucers or UFOs, whatever you want to call them.

407
00:41:14,007 --> 00:41:17,008
It gives government plausible deniability.

408
00:41:17,008 --> 00:41:23,009
In other words, here's a project and you farm it off to a private company and they take care

409
00:41:23,009 --> 00:41:24,009
of the dirty work for you.

410
00:41:24,009 --> 00:41:28,010
I believe ET's here and I believe our government knows about it.

411
00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:35,011
And therefore, what better way to have a certain entity that you can pawn off certain operations

412
00:41:35,011 --> 00:41:36,011
that you don't have to send your people on.

413
00:41:36,011 --> 00:41:40,012
You just make a phone call and say, hey, we've got a witness out here that's got some evidence.

414
00:41:40,012 --> 00:41:44,013
Why don't you go out there and intimidate them, either to keep your mouth shut, give up the

415
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evidence, or last but not least, adios amigos.

416
00:41:49,014 --> 00:41:54,015
Where are you doing that next?

417
00:41:54,015 --> 00:41:55,015
Where are you doing that next?

418
00:41:55,015 --> 00:41:56,015
Holy s***, got it on the bus, right there.

419
00:41:56,015 --> 00:41:57,015
Is he on line?

420
00:41:57,015 --> 00:42:09,018
He's getting in, he's walking in front of the white truck, our 50-billion.

421
00:42:09,018 --> 00:42:10,018
Oh, okay.

422
00:42:10,018 --> 00:42:11,018
He's backing up.

423
00:42:11,018 --> 00:42:16,019
Dude, they just hit that truck.

424
00:42:16,019 --> 00:42:20,020
The truck pulled behind the building.

425
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:23,021
It's sitting right there behind the building.

426
00:42:23,021 --> 00:42:28,022
We're here at Doug Way talking about the Men in Black.

427
00:42:28,022 --> 00:42:32,022
Is it a coincidence that a Men in Black has been apparently surveilling us for the whole

428
00:42:32,022 --> 00:42:33,023
time?

429
00:42:33,023 --> 00:42:39,024
Well, look, there's no denying.

430
00:42:39,024 --> 00:42:41,024
Men in Black were surveilling us.

431
00:42:41,024 --> 00:42:46,025
Between the photo, all the eyewitnesses, and the helicopters, and now this, it seems to

432
00:42:46,025 --> 00:42:50,026
me that there's a very strong military connection to the Men in Black.

433
00:42:50,026 --> 00:42:54,027
As investigators, we've gotten closer to the Men in Black than anyone.

434
00:42:54,027 --> 00:42:59,028
We've heard stories of threats and intimidation, and we've experienced some of that ourselves.

435
00:42:59,028 --> 00:43:04,029
They're real, and they know more about the UFO phenomenon than anyone.

436
00:43:04,029 --> 00:43:09,030
We did have credible witnesses, and it's hard to question firsthand accounts.

437
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:13,030
But when you look at the sightings, the threats, the intimidations, and even our own encounter

438
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:19,032
at Doug Way, I think it's very likely that we're talking about coincidences here.

439
00:43:19,032 --> 00:43:25,033
Between the helicopters on a routine flight path and a maintenance man working the grounds,

440
00:43:25,033 --> 00:43:30,034
like many UFO sightings, these are just chance encounters.

441
00:43:30,034 --> 00:43:37,035
You guys are missing the big point, that the Black projects that employ Men in Black has

442
00:43:37,035 --> 00:43:44,036
become so secret, so buried, so covered up by lies and distortion that even the Men in

443
00:43:44,036 --> 00:43:49,037
Black don't realize they're Men in Black.

444
00:43:49,037 --> 00:43:53,038
Men in Black have been around ever since the 1950s.

445
00:43:53,038 --> 00:44:00,040
In the UFO community, there are all kinds of stories right with threats, menace, and actual

446
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,040
physical violence.

447
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,041
When we got too close, Men in Black even approached us.

448
00:44:06,041 --> 00:44:13,042
We found out how nefarious they are, and we know they're guarding a secret, and they will go to any length

449
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to keep that truth from being disclosed.